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hosts kevin and jennifer 37 00:02:03,350 --> 00:02:00,799 malek hello everyone 38 00:02:04,149 --> 00:02:03,360 and hello to everybody in the iron chat 39 00:02:06,149 --> 00:02:04,159 room 40 00:02:08,510 --> 00:02:06,159 we look forward to your questions and 41 00:02:10,949 --> 00:02:08,520 comments as always 42 00:02:11,830 --> 00:02:10,959 ironchat.com is the link for the chat 43 00:02:14,390 --> 00:02:11,840 room 44 00:02:16,949 --> 00:02:14,400 so come join us there since childhood 45 00:02:19,190 --> 00:02:16,959 don young had visions and dreams that 46 00:02:21,270 --> 00:02:19,200 only could be explained as supernatural 47 00:02:23,430 --> 00:02:21,280 insight 48 00:02:25,190 --> 00:02:23,440 tonight's categories are cryptozoology 49 00:02:27,830 --> 00:02:25,200 and paracryptozoology 50 00:02:28,790 --> 00:02:27,840 tonight's guest is cryptozoologist eric 51 00:02:30,949 --> 00:02:28,800 shannon 52 00:02:32,229 --> 00:02:30,959 tracker and herbalist 53 00:02:33,910 --> 00:02:32,239 donald young 54 00:02:36,070 --> 00:02:33,920 author of the book 55 00:02:38,390 --> 00:02:36,080 trail of the sasquatch a shaman's 56 00:02:40,150 --> 00:02:38,400 journey 57 00:02:41,910 --> 00:02:40,160 we have that book here 58 00:02:43,350 --> 00:02:41,920 it's a really big 59 00:02:46,949 --> 00:02:43,360 thick book 60 00:02:48,830 --> 00:02:46,959 uh pretty impressive i must say 61 00:02:51,910 --> 00:02:48,840 uh he's been on master 62 00:02:54,150 --> 00:02:51,920 quest mysterious encounters 63 00:02:56,710 --> 00:02:54,160 coast to coast 64 00:02:58,229 --> 00:02:56,720 uh tv and radio shows 15 years with the 65 00:02:59,830 --> 00:02:58,239 bfro 66 00:03:00,710 --> 00:02:59,840 bigfoot research 67 00:03:03,190 --> 00:03:00,720 uh 68 00:03:05,589 --> 00:03:03,200 the bigfoot research organization 69 00:03:09,750 --> 00:03:05,599 and uh 70 00:03:11,750 --> 00:03:09,760 now he is a member of the nwps as well 71 00:03:14,390 --> 00:03:11,760 we'll bring him on in just a second jen 72 00:03:15,910 --> 00:03:14,400 will be taking uh the questions from the 73 00:03:18,309 --> 00:03:15,920 chat room tonight 74 00:03:21,670 --> 00:03:18,319 uh if you have anything for donald uh 75 00:03:24,070 --> 00:03:21,680 just ask and jen will pass that along 76 00:03:25,990 --> 00:03:24,080 are you ready john yes i am 77 00:03:28,470 --> 00:03:26,000 okay let's bring him on 78 00:03:31,509 --> 00:03:28,480 donald are you with us this evening 79 00:03:34,390 --> 00:03:31,519 yes i am and hello everyone 80 00:03:36,550 --> 00:03:34,400 hello thanks for coming on the show yes 81 00:03:38,789 --> 00:03:36,560 thank you so much for coming on 82 00:03:41,110 --> 00:03:38,799 i'm glad to be here uh for those who 83 00:03:42,470 --> 00:03:41,120 don't know who you are 84 00:03:45,670 --> 00:03:42,480 can you tell us a little bit about 85 00:03:51,750 --> 00:03:48,470 well i was uh born in 86 00:03:52,710 --> 00:03:51,760 northern wisconsin a small 87 00:03:57,350 --> 00:03:52,720 logging 88 00:03:59,670 --> 00:03:57,360 village called lugerville 89 00:04:02,229 --> 00:03:59,680 just on the outskirts of 90 00:04:05,750 --> 00:04:02,239 phillips in between phillips and park 91 00:04:09,429 --> 00:04:06,789 at the 92 00:04:11,750 --> 00:04:09,439 young age i started 93 00:04:13,670 --> 00:04:11,760 instruction from a family friend ben 94 00:04:15,750 --> 00:04:13,680 standing crow which was an iroquois 95 00:04:18,229 --> 00:04:15,760 shaman 96 00:04:19,830 --> 00:04:18,239 i started i had visions a lot of visions 97 00:04:22,790 --> 00:04:19,840 in my uh 98 00:04:23,670 --> 00:04:22,800 childhood and that led him to believe 99 00:04:26,390 --> 00:04:23,680 that 100 00:04:29,270 --> 00:04:26,400 i could be someday a great shaman so he 101 00:04:31,110 --> 00:04:29,280 started to take me under his wing 102 00:04:34,870 --> 00:04:31,120 and 103 00:04:37,749 --> 00:04:34,880 by the time probably i'd say i was 23 104 00:04:39,270 --> 00:04:37,759 24 years old something like that when i 105 00:04:41,510 --> 00:04:39,280 completed 106 00:04:45,749 --> 00:04:41,520 his instruction 107 00:04:50,150 --> 00:04:45,759 and i became a third high staff shaman 108 00:04:52,070 --> 00:04:50,160 under the false false face society 109 00:04:55,430 --> 00:04:52,080 and 110 00:05:02,230 --> 00:04:58,550 visions in mind about the uh genocide or 111 00:05:03,430 --> 00:05:02,240 the sasquatch i've also had 112 00:05:05,670 --> 00:05:03,440 countless 113 00:05:08,390 --> 00:05:05,680 sightings and encounters throughout my 114 00:05:11,670 --> 00:05:08,400 life starting when i was a child 115 00:05:13,350 --> 00:05:11,680 of both the uh 116 00:05:16,310 --> 00:05:13,360 different types that are out there both 117 00:05:18,390 --> 00:05:16,320 the physical and the energy forms of the 118 00:05:19,670 --> 00:05:18,400 sasquatch 119 00:05:22,469 --> 00:05:19,680 um 120 00:05:24,390 --> 00:05:22,479 took me four years to write a book about 121 00:05:27,270 --> 00:05:24,400 my life story 122 00:05:29,510 --> 00:05:27,280 and uh i titled the trail of sasquatch a 123 00:05:31,749 --> 00:05:29,520 shaman's journey 124 00:05:33,830 --> 00:05:31,759 um 125 00:05:36,230 --> 00:05:33,840 well that's about it 126 00:05:39,350 --> 00:05:36,240 yeah we have that book here like i said 127 00:05:41,830 --> 00:05:39,360 and uh 128 00:05:43,430 --> 00:05:41,840 it's big it's thick 129 00:05:45,110 --> 00:05:43,440 it's got uh 130 00:05:46,230 --> 00:05:45,120 and you got a lot of impressive pictures 131 00:05:49,189 --> 00:05:46,240 in here 132 00:05:52,390 --> 00:05:50,469 of 133 00:05:56,629 --> 00:05:52,400 various things 134 00:06:01,909 --> 00:05:59,189 go ahead a lot of doctors in there are 135 00:06:04,309 --> 00:06:01,919 uh stills from the actual videos that 136 00:06:06,870 --> 00:06:04,319 i've uh captured like there's the one 137 00:06:09,990 --> 00:06:06,880 out there that is the baby bigfoot 138 00:06:12,150 --> 00:06:10,000 which uh stunned both the uh skeptics 139 00:06:14,790 --> 00:06:12,160 the scientific world 140 00:06:16,550 --> 00:06:14,800 and other bigfoot groups they 141 00:06:18,230 --> 00:06:16,560 all pretty much freaked out over that 142 00:06:19,510 --> 00:06:18,240 one 143 00:06:21,590 --> 00:06:19,520 that's the 144 00:06:23,110 --> 00:06:21,600 uh of the different 145 00:06:25,510 --> 00:06:23,120 uh 146 00:06:28,070 --> 00:06:25,520 thermal images i've seen 147 00:06:29,189 --> 00:06:28,080 yeah okay sasquatch that is 148 00:06:33,830 --> 00:06:29,199 uh 149 00:06:35,990 --> 00:06:33,840 it's clear 150 00:06:38,070 --> 00:06:36,000 you know also with the uh when i was 151 00:06:40,950 --> 00:06:38,080 with the bfro 152 00:06:42,870 --> 00:06:40,960 i got the what they consider the very 153 00:06:45,510 --> 00:06:42,880 first ever 154 00:06:47,590 --> 00:06:45,520 uh thermal image of a possible bigfoot 155 00:06:50,950 --> 00:06:47,600 they call it a bigfoot i call it 156 00:06:53,029 --> 00:06:50,960 possible bigfoot because even though you 157 00:06:56,309 --> 00:06:53,039 can see it running off 158 00:06:58,629 --> 00:06:56,319 by petally or bipedally 159 00:07:01,350 --> 00:06:58,639 you know it 160 00:07:03,589 --> 00:07:01,360 i don't know i was deep woods so 161 00:07:05,189 --> 00:07:03,599 it wasn't a person 162 00:07:07,110 --> 00:07:05,199 but 163 00:07:11,189 --> 00:07:07,120 i don't know unless i 164 00:07:15,749 --> 00:07:13,110 i'm not exactly going to say it was 165 00:07:18,629 --> 00:07:15,759 positively a sasquatch how did you get 166 00:07:21,029 --> 00:07:18,639 involved with the bfro 167 00:07:24,629 --> 00:07:21,039 well that was from my first sighting i 168 00:07:27,430 --> 00:07:24,639 had during a gun deer season i was out 169 00:07:28,790 --> 00:07:27,440 on a road next to my house called mount 170 00:07:31,430 --> 00:07:28,800 peely 171 00:07:33,909 --> 00:07:31,440 and i usually sneak up to the road and 172 00:07:36,070 --> 00:07:33,919 hide in the ditch looking back 173 00:07:38,950 --> 00:07:36,080 or looking down both sides because 174 00:07:40,309 --> 00:07:38,960 usually a deer will stand in the road 175 00:07:43,270 --> 00:07:40,319 and when i 176 00:07:44,790 --> 00:07:43,280 look down towards the big hill or 177 00:07:47,589 --> 00:07:44,800 there's a water hole 178 00:07:49,510 --> 00:07:47,599 i seen something there and 179 00:07:51,350 --> 00:07:49,520 i got into the middle of the road more 180 00:07:54,150 --> 00:07:51,360 and looked at it with a scope and at 181 00:07:55,830 --> 00:07:54,160 first it looked like a black bear 182 00:07:58,790 --> 00:07:55,840 just hunched over you know messing 183 00:08:01,189 --> 00:07:58,800 around by the water hole and then a car 184 00:08:02,070 --> 00:08:01,199 on the main highway in back of me went 185 00:08:03,830 --> 00:08:02,080 by 186 00:08:05,029 --> 00:08:03,840 and the thing 187 00:08:08,150 --> 00:08:05,039 stood up 188 00:08:09,670 --> 00:08:08,160 you know it's still looking like a bear 189 00:08:14,230 --> 00:08:09,680 you know because they will stand on two 190 00:08:17,110 --> 00:08:14,240 legs and uh it was apparently alerted by 191 00:08:20,230 --> 00:08:17,120 the car so when i looked 192 00:08:23,350 --> 00:08:20,240 through the scope i seen the long arms i 193 00:08:25,430 --> 00:08:23,360 seen because i had a quite 194 00:08:26,710 --> 00:08:25,440 i can't remember what the 195 00:08:29,909 --> 00:08:26,720 scopes 196 00:08:31,749 --> 00:08:29,919 power was but it was out there and i got 197 00:08:34,389 --> 00:08:31,759 up pretty close with the scope and i 198 00:08:36,389 --> 00:08:34,399 could see facial features 199 00:08:38,469 --> 00:08:36,399 but then it must have seen me standing 200 00:08:41,430 --> 00:08:38,479 there and blaze orange 201 00:08:43,029 --> 00:08:41,440 and with three bounds it 202 00:08:45,750 --> 00:08:43,039 took off to the side of the road well i 203 00:08:49,750 --> 00:08:45,760 reported all this to the bfro and they 204 00:08:52,550 --> 00:08:49,760 came out with uh investigators and a 205 00:08:54,949 --> 00:08:52,560 scientist from a university they looked 206 00:08:57,110 --> 00:08:54,959 it over real good they 207 00:08:59,030 --> 00:08:57,120 uh they took 208 00:09:01,110 --> 00:08:59,040 samples at a mud where it jumped and 209 00:09:03,990 --> 00:09:01,120 everything like that and measured the 210 00:09:07,509 --> 00:09:04,000 distance of 12 feet that it jumped 211 00:09:09,430 --> 00:09:07,519 and from there they had an expedition 212 00:09:12,630 --> 00:09:09,440 i got to meet and 213 00:09:16,070 --> 00:09:12,640 become real good friends with the bfro's 214 00:09:18,630 --> 00:09:16,080 main sponsor which was uh wallace hersam 215 00:09:20,710 --> 00:09:18,640 he still did it did to this day a very 216 00:09:24,230 --> 00:09:20,720 good friend of mine 217 00:09:26,790 --> 00:09:24,240 but uh yeah and then from there i i did 218 00:09:29,590 --> 00:09:26,800 work for them i 219 00:09:32,150 --> 00:09:29,600 worked as a tracker wildlife specialist 220 00:09:34,550 --> 00:09:32,160 they'd call me in if someone 221 00:09:37,430 --> 00:09:34,560 wasn't sure or they weren't sure whether 222 00:09:39,509 --> 00:09:37,440 it was a known animal or a sasquatch i 223 00:09:42,310 --> 00:09:39,519 would come there look at the tracks if 224 00:09:45,590 --> 00:09:42,320 it was a possible sasquatch i'd track it 225 00:09:47,670 --> 00:09:45,600 as far as i possibly could 226 00:09:49,829 --> 00:09:47,680 i've been with them for 227 00:09:53,110 --> 00:09:49,839 quite a long time i can't even remember 228 00:09:55,990 --> 00:09:53,120 i think it was since 2005 229 00:09:57,350 --> 00:09:56,000 something like that i'm not sure 230 00:09:59,509 --> 00:09:57,360 um 231 00:10:02,389 --> 00:09:59,519 and you know i i kind of distanced 232 00:10:05,670 --> 00:10:02,399 myself from them because of certain 233 00:10:08,230 --> 00:10:05,680 remarks made by a couple of the 234 00:10:10,630 --> 00:10:08,240 vfro high members 235 00:10:11,750 --> 00:10:10,640 which was one of the remarks were that 236 00:10:15,509 --> 00:10:11,760 they 237 00:10:19,269 --> 00:10:15,519 believe that all native american beliefs 238 00:10:23,829 --> 00:10:19,279 in the sasquatch are just bogus and that 239 00:10:26,230 --> 00:10:23,839 that i took that as a massive insult 240 00:10:29,829 --> 00:10:26,240 so i just distanced myself from them 241 00:10:35,750 --> 00:10:33,670 yeah so i was with them 242 00:10:38,150 --> 00:10:35,760 that's a and you were considered for the 243 00:10:40,230 --> 00:10:38,160 show too right at one point 244 00:10:42,550 --> 00:10:40,240 and then they uh say that again say it 245 00:10:44,470 --> 00:10:42,560 again you were considered for their 246 00:10:47,509 --> 00:10:44,480 their show finding things yeah yeah i 247 00:10:49,829 --> 00:10:47,519 was they were matt was gonna have me as 248 00:10:51,670 --> 00:10:49,839 one of the four 249 00:10:54,790 --> 00:10:51,680 and uh 250 00:10:56,630 --> 00:10:54,800 yeah i i considered it but then 251 00:10:58,470 --> 00:10:56,640 i turned it down 252 00:10:59,509 --> 00:10:58,480 it was just after 253 00:11:01,190 --> 00:10:59,519 i just 254 00:11:06,710 --> 00:11:01,200 it wasn't for me 255 00:11:09,990 --> 00:11:06,720 it's too much of a 256 00:11:12,829 --> 00:11:10,000 publicity show that it's there's not 257 00:11:14,389 --> 00:11:12,839 very much research as i can see going 258 00:11:22,470 --> 00:11:14,399 on 259 00:11:25,829 --> 00:11:22,480 and yes i was 260 00:11:28,470 --> 00:11:25,839 on monster quest several several 261 00:11:29,829 --> 00:11:28,480 episodes they had me on there as a 262 00:11:33,350 --> 00:11:29,839 wildlife 263 00:11:37,430 --> 00:11:33,360 specialist a tracker and a witness 264 00:11:39,750 --> 00:11:37,440 and uh yeah i was i was in one one 265 00:11:42,389 --> 00:11:39,760 episode with uh 266 00:11:43,750 --> 00:11:42,399 doug hijack 267 00:11:47,190 --> 00:11:43,760 uh 268 00:11:49,110 --> 00:11:47,200 dr greg babanek and now the cameraman 269 00:11:51,670 --> 00:11:49,120 ivan and we were 270 00:11:54,150 --> 00:11:51,680 looking through certain areas 271 00:11:57,269 --> 00:11:54,160 of the forest and and that and we found 272 00:11:59,509 --> 00:11:57,279 a bedding ground we found some hair 273 00:12:02,310 --> 00:11:59,519 good good amount of hair it took us 274 00:12:03,910 --> 00:12:02,320 quite a quite a few hours off of camera 275 00:12:05,110 --> 00:12:03,920 to search these beds and we finally 276 00:12:07,670 --> 00:12:05,120 found 277 00:12:10,389 --> 00:12:07,680 hairs that were in the range of anywhere 278 00:12:12,470 --> 00:12:10,399 from three to six inches in length well 279 00:12:15,910 --> 00:12:12,480 they sent it to a 280 00:12:18,230 --> 00:12:15,920 lab or a hair analyst 281 00:12:19,910 --> 00:12:18,240 and he came back saying that it was 282 00:12:23,030 --> 00:12:19,920 brown bear 283 00:12:26,629 --> 00:12:23,040 well that in i got enraged over that and 284 00:12:28,310 --> 00:12:26,639 i called up doug and he says well 285 00:12:30,629 --> 00:12:28,320 nothing we can do about it that's what 286 00:12:33,670 --> 00:12:30,639 he says it is well i'm in wisconsin 287 00:12:35,269 --> 00:12:33,680 there are no brown bear there are no 288 00:12:37,430 --> 00:12:35,279 grizzly 289 00:12:39,590 --> 00:12:37,440 once in a while we will have what is 290 00:12:43,190 --> 00:12:39,600 called a cinnamon bear 291 00:12:44,629 --> 00:12:43,200 that's a black bear with the very tips 292 00:12:46,150 --> 00:12:44,639 of their hair 293 00:12:48,069 --> 00:12:46,160 has a 294 00:12:51,190 --> 00:12:48,079 reddish 295 00:12:53,030 --> 00:12:51,200 tint to it but the rest of the hair 296 00:12:53,829 --> 00:12:53,040 is still black 297 00:12:55,829 --> 00:12:53,839 so 298 00:12:57,269 --> 00:12:55,839 for him to say and and they don't have 299 00:12:59,269 --> 00:12:57,279 any hair that's 300 00:13:01,190 --> 00:12:59,279 six inches long 301 00:13:03,509 --> 00:13:01,200 so that was uh 302 00:13:06,069 --> 00:13:03,519 i believe anyway that was a cover up 303 00:13:08,790 --> 00:13:06,079 they they got evidence 304 00:13:12,230 --> 00:13:08,800 and they basically 305 00:13:14,069 --> 00:13:12,240 just said it was a brown bear 306 00:13:15,030 --> 00:13:14,079 um yeah 307 00:13:17,910 --> 00:13:15,040 so 308 00:13:18,829 --> 00:13:17,920 established establishment narrative 309 00:13:21,030 --> 00:13:18,839 uh 310 00:13:22,870 --> 00:13:21,040 yeah now that the same episode because 311 00:13:24,550 --> 00:13:22,880 we were talking before 312 00:13:26,069 --> 00:13:24,560 uh and you had brought up something 313 00:13:27,110 --> 00:13:26,079 really interesting 314 00:13:30,069 --> 00:13:27,120 that uh 315 00:13:32,470 --> 00:13:30,079 we found uh amazing um 316 00:13:34,949 --> 00:13:32,480 and that was the same episode actually 317 00:13:37,269 --> 00:13:34,959 the werewolf in wisconsin 318 00:13:40,150 --> 00:13:37,279 yeah that was the other thing when they 319 00:13:42,069 --> 00:13:40,160 when doug came out and he contacted me 320 00:13:45,030 --> 00:13:42,079 for that episode 321 00:13:48,470 --> 00:13:45,040 he wanted to do the tr the uh 322 00:13:51,910 --> 00:13:48,480 reenactment of where i had the uh 323 00:13:54,790 --> 00:13:51,920 territorial tree shake with one 324 00:13:57,750 --> 00:13:54,800 and he wanted to do the scene on the on 325 00:13:59,750 --> 00:13:57,760 the mount peeley road so i figured okay 326 00:14:02,310 --> 00:13:59,760 we can do all this 327 00:14:04,710 --> 00:14:02,320 so we we did all the reenactments and 328 00:14:07,509 --> 00:14:04,720 then he left and uh 329 00:14:08,629 --> 00:14:07,519 then later on he had an interview 330 00:14:10,550 --> 00:14:08,639 at the 331 00:14:12,949 --> 00:14:10,560 dr beminik's 332 00:14:15,030 --> 00:14:12,959 office and he started to talk about 333 00:14:17,269 --> 00:14:15,040 werewolves well i didn't see any of this 334 00:14:19,189 --> 00:14:17,279 until the show actually aired 335 00:14:22,389 --> 00:14:19,199 he started to talk about wearables then 336 00:14:27,590 --> 00:14:24,550 linda godfrey on there talking about the 337 00:14:30,230 --> 00:14:27,600 bray road and stuff like that next thing 338 00:14:33,670 --> 00:14:30,240 i know when the show comes out they're 339 00:14:35,430 --> 00:14:33,680 characterizing my sighting into the 340 00:14:38,069 --> 00:14:35,440 category of 341 00:14:40,230 --> 00:14:38,079 dog men and werewolves 342 00:14:43,189 --> 00:14:40,240 and 343 00:14:44,470 --> 00:14:43,199 so that was another 344 00:14:50,949 --> 00:14:44,480 strike again 345 00:14:51,670 --> 00:14:50,959 it was mainly with that that i started 346 00:14:53,829 --> 00:14:51,680 to 347 00:14:55,990 --> 00:14:53,839 shun away from them the average person 348 00:14:58,389 --> 00:14:56,000 spends hours a week at the grocery store 349 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they just 363 00:15:33,670 --> 00:15:31,199 turn everything around i can see that i 364 00:15:35,269 --> 00:15:33,680 do and you know that's uh 365 00:15:37,189 --> 00:15:35,279 i remember watching the episode and i 366 00:15:38,870 --> 00:15:37,199 remember the two things 367 00:15:41,189 --> 00:15:38,880 um 368 00:15:42,949 --> 00:15:41,199 about the story you just told one was 369 00:15:46,150 --> 00:15:42,959 the tree shaking i remember in the 370 00:15:48,550 --> 00:15:46,160 episode when they had mentioned that 371 00:15:49,829 --> 00:15:48,560 i thought that's odd i've never heard 372 00:15:53,189 --> 00:15:49,839 tree shaking 373 00:15:54,790 --> 00:15:53,199 in werewolf or cognac reports 374 00:15:56,310 --> 00:15:54,800 not that they wouldn't do it wasn't what 375 00:16:00,069 --> 00:15:56,320 that was is 376 00:16:03,430 --> 00:16:00,079 it it was simply a uh territorial 377 00:16:04,790 --> 00:16:03,440 uh dispute between a physical sasquatch 378 00:16:07,269 --> 00:16:04,800 and me 379 00:16:10,310 --> 00:16:07,279 i did something wrong they got mad or he 380 00:16:13,189 --> 00:16:10,320 got mad and warned me and i got out of 381 00:16:16,870 --> 00:16:15,350 what happened is basically during the 382 00:16:19,350 --> 00:16:16,880 season i 383 00:16:21,189 --> 00:16:19,360 was sitting up on a ridge i 384 00:16:22,470 --> 00:16:21,199 drank a lot of coffee i had to go and 385 00:16:25,509 --> 00:16:22,480 take a leak 386 00:16:26,470 --> 00:16:25,519 so i went probably 50 feet or so into 387 00:16:30,230 --> 00:16:26,480 the 388 00:16:32,550 --> 00:16:30,240 was hunting 389 00:16:35,110 --> 00:16:32,560 yeah i took a leak on a 390 00:16:38,150 --> 00:16:35,120 little tree out there a little maple 391 00:16:41,110 --> 00:16:38,160 i came back out to my stand 392 00:16:43,670 --> 00:16:41,120 sat down poured some more coffee 393 00:16:45,670 --> 00:16:43,680 at the bottom of the hill i seen the 394 00:16:48,389 --> 00:16:45,680 bottom 395 00:16:50,949 --> 00:16:48,399 ankle like a part of the foot and a 396 00:16:53,030 --> 00:16:50,959 buttocks walking in to the same side 397 00:16:55,590 --> 00:16:53,040 that i just went in probably i don't 398 00:16:56,629 --> 00:16:55,600 know 100 yards or so from me down the 399 00:16:59,430 --> 00:16:56,639 hill 400 00:17:02,389 --> 00:16:59,440 at first i thought it was a bear 401 00:17:05,990 --> 00:17:02,399 15 minutes 20 minutes pass 402 00:17:07,990 --> 00:17:06,000 i hear some huffing off to my right 403 00:17:10,390 --> 00:17:08,000 where i just came out of 404 00:17:11,750 --> 00:17:10,400 now within probably 405 00:17:13,429 --> 00:17:11,760 a minute 406 00:17:16,470 --> 00:17:13,439 after the huffing 407 00:17:19,590 --> 00:17:16,480 i noticed that the top of a 408 00:17:22,309 --> 00:17:19,600 tree start the whip back and forth and i 409 00:17:24,789 --> 00:17:22,319 mean it was not it wasn't just 410 00:17:26,949 --> 00:17:24,799 a little bit of a twitching here and 411 00:17:30,310 --> 00:17:26,959 there that thing was whipping 412 00:17:33,350 --> 00:17:30,320 so violently that you could hear the top 413 00:17:35,510 --> 00:17:33,360 of this tree slapping the ground and 414 00:17:36,630 --> 00:17:35,520 then as it went the other way would slap 415 00:17:38,950 --> 00:17:36,640 the ground 416 00:17:41,510 --> 00:17:38,960 and this was a little maple tree that 417 00:17:44,230 --> 00:17:41,520 basically was 418 00:17:47,029 --> 00:17:44,240 i'd say at the base 419 00:17:48,710 --> 00:17:47,039 at least three inches in diameter so 420 00:17:49,909 --> 00:17:48,720 this ain't no little 421 00:17:51,190 --> 00:17:49,919 little uh 422 00:17:53,590 --> 00:17:51,200 twig 423 00:17:57,669 --> 00:17:53,600 so i got out of there real quick i left 424 00:17:59,990 --> 00:17:57,679 my thermos left my binoculars there 425 00:18:01,990 --> 00:18:00,000 grabbed the rifle took off running got 426 00:18:04,150 --> 00:18:02,000 to the vehicle went home 427 00:18:08,630 --> 00:18:04,160 i realized i forgot everything there 428 00:18:14,710 --> 00:18:10,789 back there 429 00:18:17,350 --> 00:18:14,720 the the 430 00:18:20,390 --> 00:18:17,360 safety was off of the rifle i snuck into 431 00:18:21,830 --> 00:18:20,400 the woods and yeah the same tree that i 432 00:18:26,310 --> 00:18:21,840 took the leak 433 00:18:29,909 --> 00:18:26,320 on was the same tree that this thing was 434 00:18:33,270 --> 00:18:29,919 very aggressively thrashing around so it 435 00:18:34,549 --> 00:18:33,280 was what i consider a territorial 436 00:18:36,150 --> 00:18:34,559 uh battle 437 00:18:59,190 --> 00:18:36,160 i 438 00:19:01,590 --> 00:18:59,200 thought was odd was 439 00:19:03,430 --> 00:19:01,600 when you said i didn't shoot because my 440 00:19:05,909 --> 00:19:03,440 first impression or at least on one of 441 00:19:07,510 --> 00:19:05,919 your sightings was that it was a guy in 442 00:19:09,990 --> 00:19:07,520 a monkey suit 443 00:19:12,710 --> 00:19:10,000 yeah exactly that was my very first 444 00:19:15,110 --> 00:19:12,720 sighting on the mount peeley road when i 445 00:19:17,110 --> 00:19:15,120 when it stood there you know and i 446 00:19:18,470 --> 00:19:17,120 didn't look through the scope i thought 447 00:19:20,950 --> 00:19:18,480 for sure okay 448 00:19:22,630 --> 00:19:20,960 this is a bear when i look through the 449 00:19:25,750 --> 00:19:22,640 scope 450 00:19:27,669 --> 00:19:25,760 and seeing the arms at the side not in 451 00:19:30,870 --> 00:19:27,679 front like a bear 452 00:19:32,950 --> 00:19:30,880 and it's standing there and then run off 453 00:19:34,549 --> 00:19:32,960 yeah i could easily squeeze the round 454 00:19:35,510 --> 00:19:34,559 off and hit it 455 00:19:36,950 --> 00:19:35,520 but 456 00:19:39,510 --> 00:19:36,960 yeah 457 00:19:41,590 --> 00:19:39,520 it it looked way too much like a human 458 00:19:44,230 --> 00:19:41,600 so there was no no way i was going to 459 00:19:46,390 --> 00:19:44,240 pop a shot off at it 460 00:19:49,510 --> 00:19:46,400 but then when i got down there and i 461 00:19:53,750 --> 00:19:49,520 looked at the water hole where it jumped 462 00:19:55,909 --> 00:19:53,760 that was a 12 foot span and it did not 463 00:19:57,350 --> 00:19:55,919 touch the water 464 00:19:59,510 --> 00:19:57,360 wow 465 00:20:02,710 --> 00:19:59,520 it hit the other other shoreline and 466 00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:02,720 sunk into the uh soft shore 467 00:20:09,669 --> 00:20:07,669 touch the water at all that's when i 468 00:20:12,870 --> 00:20:09,679 knew it wasn't noah 469 00:20:15,909 --> 00:20:12,880 no human but i also know known then it 470 00:20:18,150 --> 00:20:15,919 was not a bear because a bear will not 471 00:20:20,310 --> 00:20:18,160 run off on its hind legs 472 00:20:21,750 --> 00:20:20,320 unless you know you'll see them once in 473 00:20:23,830 --> 00:20:21,760 a while on a 474 00:20:26,150 --> 00:20:23,840 on a program or something where they're 475 00:20:28,230 --> 00:20:26,160 walking around the streets and i seen 476 00:20:29,830 --> 00:20:28,240 one bear on on 477 00:20:31,350 --> 00:20:29,840 tv or something walking around but 478 00:20:34,549 --> 00:20:31,360 that's because their front legs are 479 00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:34,559 injured and they have no choice 480 00:20:39,909 --> 00:20:36,720 right they still can't they still can't 481 00:20:42,710 --> 00:20:39,919 jump like this thing they did at most 482 00:20:48,070 --> 00:20:42,720 they can probably hop about two feet 483 00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:49,669 yeah 484 00:20:54,710 --> 00:20:51,679 i have a question for you from the chat 485 00:20:57,029 --> 00:20:54,720 room and this question comes from max 486 00:20:59,510 --> 00:20:57,039 do you think as i do that the 487 00:21:02,230 --> 00:20:59,520 governments are covering up sasquatch 488 00:21:05,350 --> 00:21:02,240 and other zoological creatures as they 489 00:21:12,230 --> 00:21:08,870 i believe so i i believe that the uh 490 00:21:14,230 --> 00:21:12,240 the uf us government knows of it just 491 00:21:15,270 --> 00:21:14,240 like the uh 492 00:21:20,549 --> 00:21:15,280 russian 493 00:21:24,070 --> 00:21:20,559 knows of them that goes all the way back 494 00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:24,080 to that one incident where those uh 495 00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:25,280 hikers 496 00:21:30,630 --> 00:21:28,000 were attacked and killed up in the i 497 00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:30,640 believe it was the himalayas 498 00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:33,600 uh they they know all about it uh it's 499 00:21:38,310 --> 00:21:35,679 just that they cannot 500 00:21:40,950 --> 00:21:38,320 even with the uh 501 00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:40,960 the smallest result would be a mass 502 00:21:46,470 --> 00:21:43,760 panic if all of a sudden it came 503 00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:46,480 down to the reality that 504 00:21:50,390 --> 00:21:48,400 the government said okay we know for 505 00:21:52,230 --> 00:21:50,400 sure it's out there 506 00:21:54,390 --> 00:21:52,240 there would be mass panic 507 00:21:55,909 --> 00:21:54,400 even seasoned hunters 508 00:21:58,549 --> 00:21:55,919 would be looking over their shoulder 509 00:22:00,149 --> 00:21:58,559 when they go into the woods 510 00:22:02,390 --> 00:22:00,159 you know and they don't want that they 511 00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:02,400 don't want to trigger happy people going 512 00:22:05,830 --> 00:22:04,000 out into the woods and blasting at 513 00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:05,840 everything they see 514 00:22:10,789 --> 00:22:08,480 that would be extremely dangerous you 515 00:22:13,669 --> 00:22:10,799 would have trigger happy scared people 516 00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:13,679 running everywhere 517 00:22:21,669 --> 00:22:16,159 are you familiar with uh 518 00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:22,630 no 519 00:22:28,470 --> 00:22:25,520 okay that was about uh people that go 520 00:22:30,870 --> 00:22:28,480 missing in state parks 521 00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:30,880 okay i i had uh heard something about 522 00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:31,760 that 523 00:22:36,390 --> 00:22:34,559 yeah yeah and he had done some research 524 00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:36,400 and he found that uh 525 00:22:40,789 --> 00:22:38,159 it was 526 00:22:42,149 --> 00:22:40,799 not only quite a few people 527 00:22:43,990 --> 00:22:42,159 but the 528 00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:44,000 state parks were 529 00:22:47,990 --> 00:22:45,120 uh 530 00:22:49,990 --> 00:22:48,000 denying him information 531 00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:50,000 okay yeah you would ask for it and so 532 00:22:54,149 --> 00:22:51,360 you would have to go over here and 533 00:22:55,510 --> 00:22:54,159 hearing something on that order any 534 00:22:56,710 --> 00:22:55,520 thoughts on that i mean that's kind of 535 00:22:59,669 --> 00:22:56,720 the same thing 536 00:23:02,070 --> 00:22:59,679 um well a lot of the a lot of the 537 00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:02,080 missing persons even though the the 538 00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:04,640 forestry department don't want to admit 539 00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:06,640 it because that would 540 00:23:12,390 --> 00:23:10,000 that would basically show negligence on 541 00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:12,400 their side a lot of the people that are 542 00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:14,400 out there have 543 00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:17,440 fallen off a cliff they got lost and 544 00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:19,840 killed or something by an animal the 545 00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:22,080 forestry department don't want to admit 546 00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:24,640 that because then they would be under a 547 00:23:29,590 --> 00:23:27,280 lot of scrutiny for negligence why can't 548 00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:29,600 you find them in your own park 549 00:23:33,110 --> 00:23:31,360 you know you've got all this and use 550 00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:33,120 this equipment you've got helicopters 551 00:23:36,310 --> 00:23:34,799 you've got search and rescue parties 552 00:23:37,590 --> 00:23:36,320 you've got dogs and everything you can't 553 00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:37,600 find them 554 00:23:42,390 --> 00:23:39,600 okay but then there's the other things 555 00:23:44,950 --> 00:23:42,400 you you got the stories that go way back 556 00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:44,960 into the 557 00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:49,440 early 1800s when the one guy got 558 00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:51,760 pulled right out of his tent i believe 559 00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:54,799 and dragged into a sasquatch cave 560 00:23:58,789 --> 00:23:57,120 the only way he got away with 561 00:24:02,310 --> 00:23:58,799 from them 562 00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:02,320 was his little can of snuff 563 00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:05,600 he basically opened it the sasquatch was 564 00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:08,320 curious they came up they grabbed it 565 00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:11,039 they ate it they started getting sick he 566 00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:13,120 took off running 567 00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:15,440 you know so there's the possibility of 568 00:24:22,149 --> 00:24:19,990 i would also 569 00:24:24,789 --> 00:24:22,159 it's it's reaching 570 00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:24,799 but i would also say that maybe there is 571 00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:27,600 some kind of portal that could be out 572 00:24:32,950 --> 00:24:30,559 there a different dimension like the 573 00:24:37,029 --> 00:24:32,960 energy sasquatch are using 574 00:24:40,470 --> 00:24:38,070 so they 575 00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:40,480 don't tell anyone about it they're 576 00:24:44,830 --> 00:24:42,080 brought through it 577 00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:44,840 i don't know it's it's 578 00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:48,000 weird so i have another question for you 579 00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:49,760 from the chat room this one comes from 580 00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:51,360 heidi 581 00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:54,000 have you ever heard of bigfoot being 582 00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:01,430 i've heard it um never talked to a 583 00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:03,919 witness though um 584 00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:06,880 yeah i've i've heard it where just like 585 00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:08,640 just like a bear 586 00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:12,559 i've i haven't heard of the manifesting 587 00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:16,080 through the energy form into a building 588 00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:20,400 i have heard of it with shape shifters 589 00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:21,360 but 590 00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:23,520 yes a sasquatch can get in your house 591 00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:25,279 through a window you can 592 00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:27,760 they're a lot a lot smarter than a bear 593 00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:29,520 and a bear can make it in your your 594 00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:31,520 front door if he wants he can make it in 595 00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:34,720 a screen door a sasquatch has hands 596 00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:36,960 he can easily walk in and the energy 597 00:25:41,190 --> 00:25:38,720 form if he wants they can just walk 598 00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:41,200 right through the door or 599 00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:43,440 appear right in your house 600 00:25:50,470 --> 00:25:44,720 but uh 601 00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:52,310 so we gotta ask 602 00:25:58,230 --> 00:25:54,000 uh 603 00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:59,350 i am 604 00:26:01,510 --> 00:26:00,720 no kill 605 00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:01,520 uh 606 00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:04,559 against it um 607 00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:08,159 for for a couple reasons one like it 608 00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:11,520 it's just uh i don't i don't believe in 609 00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:13,360 it it's not just because of the 610 00:26:19,350 --> 00:26:16,799 sasquatch it's any any endangered 611 00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:19,360 or unknown undiscovered animal you don't 612 00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:21,120 know how many there are 613 00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:23,760 like uh matt he'll say oh there's so 614 00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:26,960 many of them yeah okay whatever 615 00:26:31,909 --> 00:26:28,640 i don't believe so 616 00:26:35,750 --> 00:26:31,919 you know if you if you shoot one 617 00:26:38,789 --> 00:26:35,760 okay now say it's only a breeding couple 618 00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:38,799 for a thousand miles one breeding couple 619 00:26:44,789 --> 00:26:40,960 you just shot one of them 620 00:26:47,190 --> 00:26:44,799 okay if it's anything like a human 621 00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:47,200 you know that's it takes 622 00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:50,080 quite a few years before the 623 00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:52,480 breeding couple can release the young 624 00:26:56,950 --> 00:26:55,120 one to be on its own 625 00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:56,960 so they're not gonna they're not gonna 626 00:27:02,310 --> 00:26:59,760 jeopardize and grow the pod any bigger 627 00:27:04,149 --> 00:27:02,320 than they have to so yeah i'm 628 00:27:05,830 --> 00:27:04,159 fully against 629 00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:05,840 the shooting of it there's plenty of 630 00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:08,159 ways if people want dna from the 631 00:27:10,390 --> 00:27:09,360 physical 632 00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:10,400 form 633 00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:12,640 they don't have to kill it 634 00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:15,760 they can get hair samples i i showed you 635 00:27:19,590 --> 00:27:16,640 one 636 00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:19,600 way of collecting dna through the hair 637 00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:21,679 when we were on this trip over in 638 00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:22,880 drummond 639 00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:24,960 the use of a mouse trap 640 00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:27,440 yes and that was impressive in fact uh 641 00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:30,720 when we come back after a commercial 642 00:27:35,830 --> 00:27:32,960 we can get into that place yeah that was 643 00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:35,840 really cool and with that it is time for 644 00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:37,840 our first connect commercial break you 645 00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:39,360 were listening to power reversal 646 00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:46,549 welcome back to peer reversal universe 647 00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:48,480 the inception radio network we're your 648 00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:50,480 host kevin jennifer malik 649 00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:52,799 and we're chatting with donald young 650 00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:56,080 crypto zoologist and iroquois shaman 651 00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:58,559 but before we bring him on back on 652 00:28:01,590 --> 00:28:00,320 we'd like to take a minute 653 00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:01,600 and 654 00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:03,600 thank everyone who makes periversal 655 00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:05,360 universe possible 656 00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:07,679 including graphics art designer lawrence 657 00:28:13,510 --> 00:28:11,200 demisa announcer william pritchard 658 00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:13,520 music by matt stens 659 00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:16,640 producer mike m mj lucas 660 00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:18,720 and of course to god for granting us 661 00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:20,320 this wonderful show 662 00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:21,840 and opportunity 663 00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:23,840 here to be with you all 664 00:28:27,590 --> 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on 697 00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:37,279 do you think they use uh do you think 698 00:29:42,389 --> 00:29:40,799 sasquatch use tools of any kind 699 00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:42,399 oh definitely 700 00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:44,320 any any uh 701 00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:47,039 primate especially the physical 702 00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:50,080 the physical form at a sasquatch would 703 00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:53,039 most definitely use uh 704 00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:55,360 simple tools you know like for uh 705 00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:57,120 grubbing or 706 00:30:02,389 --> 00:29:59,760 chasing a squirrel or a rodent out of a 707 00:30:04,950 --> 00:30:02,399 log you probably bang a stick around on 708 00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:04,960 one end or use it as a digging tool to 709 00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:05,760 get 710 00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:08,880 grubs out from under a stump 711 00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:10,559 you know it's uh 712 00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:13,039 even the simplest thing a rock clacking 713 00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:15,120 two rocks together 714 00:30:23,430 --> 00:30:20,710 you know and it's uh yeah they they use 715 00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:23,440 tools they're not they're not just not 716 00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:25,360 the average person spends hours a week 717 00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:27,200 at the grocery store but you're not an 718 00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:29,440 average person are you there's a better 719 00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:31,200 way to get fresh groceries and it's 720 00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:33,360 called fresh direct shop for just pick 721 00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:35,360 fruit and vegetables custom cut meat and 722 00:30:39,669 --> 00:30:37,760 seafood freshly made meals and meal kits 723 00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:39,679 all your favorite brands plus hundreds 724 00:30:44,070 --> 00:30:41,840 of weekly deals order fresh direct 725 00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:44,080 anytime anywhere and get the freshest 726 00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:46,080 groceries delivered to your door use 727 00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:49,120 code playlist to get 25 off your first 728 00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:50,399 order of 99 729 00:30:54,870 --> 00:30:52,559 or more visit freshdirect.com or 730 00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:54,880 download the app today they're not 731 00:30:59,669 --> 00:30:57,200 sophisticated tools like bows and arrows 732 00:31:03,190 --> 00:30:59,679 or spears or anything like that right 733 00:31:05,669 --> 00:31:03,200 it's basically uh extremely crude tools 734 00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:05,679 similar to what the chimpanzees would 735 00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:07,120 would use to 736 00:31:10,950 --> 00:31:09,120 they've seen chimpanzees already taken a 737 00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:10,960 little tiny straw 738 00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:13,840 like sticks and poking them into 739 00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:16,880 the holes of termites to bring them out 740 00:31:22,389 --> 00:31:18,640 so it's 741 00:31:25,269 --> 00:31:22,399 just relatively simple tools like that 742 00:31:26,789 --> 00:31:25,279 you know uh you were mentioning the the 743 00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:26,799 rocks clacking 744 00:31:30,549 --> 00:31:27,840 and 745 00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:30,559 right before we went to break 746 00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:32,640 we were talking uh 747 00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:34,640 you have recently joined the northern 748 00:31:39,269 --> 00:31:36,640 wisconsin paranormal society 749 00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:39,279 and we are uh honored and grateful to 750 00:31:45,669 --> 00:31:42,000 have you as a member 751 00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:45,679 uh so and you took us out on a bigfoot 752 00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:47,120 call 753 00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:50,080 a couple days ago which was uh 754 00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:51,840 uh 755 00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:53,440 it was impressive 756 00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:54,640 um 757 00:31:58,710 --> 00:31:57,600 incredible witness we both thought he 758 00:32:01,029 --> 00:31:58,720 was credible 759 00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:01,039 well spoken 760 00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:03,600 and that was one of the things that he 761 00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:08,389 and i was impressed 762 00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:10,480 with with the 763 00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:12,559 scientific 764 00:32:15,750 --> 00:32:14,480 research you were doing the soil 765 00:32:18,149 --> 00:32:15,760 analysis 766 00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:18,159 and and those kind of things 767 00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:20,320 and hanging uh 768 00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:21,840 back to the when you were talking about 769 00:32:26,230 --> 00:32:24,559 dna and we don't have to kill 770 00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:26,240 any animal for dna there are different 771 00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:28,399 ways to go about it 772 00:32:33,190 --> 00:32:30,720 i know some people put them spikes on 773 00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:33,200 the on the ground so bigfoot will step 774 00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:34,559 on it yeah 775 00:32:39,909 --> 00:32:36,880 that's hard 776 00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:39,919 monster quest series they put 777 00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:44,159 screws through a board and 778 00:32:48,630 --> 00:32:46,640 then when the sasquatch stepped on it 779 00:32:50,789 --> 00:32:48,640 that was another uh 780 00:32:51,909 --> 00:32:50,799 incident where the evidence just 781 00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:51,919 disappeared 782 00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:53,200 yeah 783 00:32:57,269 --> 00:32:55,679 they had a full bloody footprint right 784 00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:57,279 in the middle of the board with all the 785 00:33:03,190 --> 00:32:59,760 nails and all the screws 786 00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:03,200 tissue and hair was on it but 787 00:33:08,549 --> 00:33:05,120 they never 788 00:33:11,669 --> 00:33:08,559 ever found out anything on it 789 00:33:12,789 --> 00:33:11,679 but uh what you did 790 00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:12,799 uh 791 00:33:21,029 --> 00:33:14,399 what what 792 00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:25,509 okay what i did was uh i took a regular 793 00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:27,120 spring-loaded 794 00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:29,519 wooden mousetrap with with the spring on 795 00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:31,679 it drilled a hole through one end so you 796 00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:33,360 can tie a string on it and then you hang 797 00:33:37,590 --> 00:33:34,480 it 798 00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:37,600 from a tree at least human head height 799 00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:40,240 that way if a deer or a bear or anything 800 00:33:43,509 --> 00:33:42,320 wander underneath it they're not gonna 801 00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:43,519 set it off 802 00:33:48,149 --> 00:33:46,559 anything that's taller now even a human 803 00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:48,159 walking through 804 00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:50,320 is gonna set it off and 805 00:33:55,269 --> 00:33:52,640 if it's got fur or hair 806 00:33:58,470 --> 00:33:55,279 it's going to cling onto the hair along 807 00:34:01,509 --> 00:33:58,480 where the spring snaps the wood i took 808 00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:01,519 rubber cement and put it there so when 809 00:34:05,029 --> 00:34:03,360 the spring hits it 810 00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:05,039 and the hair gets caught in between 811 00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:08,480 there as the animal or sasquatch moves 812 00:34:13,349 --> 00:34:10,800 away it's going to pull free and it's 813 00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:13,359 going to leave either one or a bunch of 814 00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:16,480 strands of hair there with hopefully the 815 00:34:22,149 --> 00:34:19,040 follicle still intact 816 00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:22,159 that way it can be collected later and 817 00:34:25,829 --> 00:34:24,560 sent to a 818 00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:25,839 legitimate 819 00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:33,030 i have two questions or a dna 820 00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:34,480 all right go ahead 821 00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:36,159 i have two questions for you from the 822 00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:37,280 chat room 823 00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:39,679 this one the first one comes from max 824 00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:49,589 oh that's a that's a difficult one um 825 00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:51,040 well it would definitely be catch and 826 00:34:55,109 --> 00:34:52,159 release 827 00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:55,119 any any anything that's out there 828 00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:57,839 whether sasquatch or just plain wild 829 00:35:03,910 --> 00:35:01,200 animal you can't keep them in captivity 830 00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:03,920 once they've grown as a baby like i've 831 00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:07,200 raised countless wild orphans you can do 832 00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:10,320 that but if they're a grown adult 833 00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:13,599 does the stress factor that 834 00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:17,040 is in a captured an adult animal 835 00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:19,680 is so high that 836 00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:23,119 within a couple days to a week or so 837 00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:25,359 they would just they wouldn't eat they 838 00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:27,280 would just wither away 839 00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:30,160 so you could have just like any any 840 00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:33,359 tranquilized animal or caged animal you 841 00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:35,520 can do your test real quick take a blood 842 00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:38,320 sample take a hair sample 843 00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:40,640 check for any kind of diseases stuff 844 00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:42,560 like that 845 00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:45,119 maybe even put a monitor 846 00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:48,000 or a tracker unit on 847 00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:50,560 the sasquatch and release them right 848 00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:54,960 back but do not keep it because well 849 00:35:59,540 --> 00:35:57,760 well it'd be kind of like the 850 00:36:02,630 --> 00:35:59,550 movie king kong 851 00:36:03,349 --> 00:36:02,640 [Laughter] 852 00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:03,359 okay 853 00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:06,960 it could go the wrong way too 854 00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:09,599 that is very true 855 00:36:13,829 --> 00:36:12,800 okay my next question to you comes from 856 00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:13,839 tom 857 00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:16,400 do you also believe that sasquatch can 858 00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:19,359 manifest themselves 859 00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:22,160 yes yes the energy form 860 00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:24,400 the energy forms you see there's 861 00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:26,400 there's a few different uh 862 00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:29,040 types there's the physical forms which 863 00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:31,760 vary in size and shape you get the large 864 00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:34,640 ones up north the small ones down south 865 00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:38,240 or in warmer climates then there's the 866 00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:40,640 uh the guides or the forest spirits 867 00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:42,720 those are the ones that can manifest 868 00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:44,880 they they are the 869 00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:45,839 the 870 00:36:48,870 --> 00:36:47,440 forest 871 00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:48,880 protectors 872 00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:51,280 or helpers they help the physical 873 00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:54,400 sasquatch and other animals out there to 874 00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:55,680 avoid 875 00:37:02,150 --> 00:36:58,320 danger or human contact 876 00:37:05,670 --> 00:37:02,160 you can always tell the energy 877 00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:05,680 sasquatch that would manifest by the red 878 00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:07,680 eyes if you see 879 00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:10,960 one during the daytime which is rare but 880 00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:13,440 if you see one during the day time 881 00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:14,560 and you 882 00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:16,880 there or at night we'll just we'll say 883 00:37:21,430 --> 00:37:18,720 at night and you don't have a flashlight 884 00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:21,440 or there's no external light whatsoever 885 00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:23,040 no illumination 886 00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:25,200 and the eyes are glowing 887 00:37:31,310 --> 00:37:28,000 well that's that's not a physical animal 888 00:37:34,829 --> 00:37:31,320 no physical animal out there has 889 00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:34,839 illuminating eyes without 890 00:37:40,390 --> 00:37:38,160 artificial illumination or 891 00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:40,400 any kind of external light 892 00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:43,760 because of the reflection 893 00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:46,400 right so you know there is there are the 894 00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:47,760 men 895 00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:54,630 we've thought about that too 896 00:37:58,870 --> 00:37:56,800 um with the 897 00:38:01,589 --> 00:37:58,880 just a para cryptozoology 898 00:38:02,470 --> 00:38:01,599 and uh how um 899 00:38:05,190 --> 00:38:02,480 some 900 00:38:06,710 --> 00:38:05,200 when people say well they had red eyes 901 00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:06,720 and it's like well is it are you talking 902 00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:08,160 about reflective 903 00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:11,280 red eyes or was it actually a red light 904 00:38:15,430 --> 00:38:12,160 or 905 00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:15,440 you know um something of that nature 906 00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:16,720 because you know they're two different 907 00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:17,760 things 908 00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:20,560 yeah yes there's the refractive and 909 00:38:25,109 --> 00:38:23,119 there is the just 910 00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:25,119 uh basic 911 00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:27,839 illumination which the illumination 912 00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:29,920 would be the spirit form but if you 913 00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:32,800 shine a light into an animal's eyes you 914 00:38:41,589 --> 00:38:38,950 it's totally different that would be the 915 00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:41,599 physical physical form the physical 916 00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:43,920 sasquatch can 917 00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:46,079 the you will get eye glow just like with 918 00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:48,720 a human it'll be a dark 919 00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:52,640 uh amber to a dark red 920 00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:55,760 in uh glow but the that that's the one 921 00:39:00,069 --> 00:38:58,000 with if you shine a flashlight or a 922 00:39:02,230 --> 00:39:00,079 camera flash or something like that or 923 00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:02,240 the headlights of a car 924 00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:04,240 you'll get that but if you're out in the 925 00:39:07,589 --> 00:39:06,240 woods you don't have any flashlight 926 00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:07,599 there's 927 00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:09,760 no external light 928 00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:12,560 and you see glowing eyes yeah you're 929 00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:15,680 witnessing the uh spiritual form 930 00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:17,920 and i'm i'm really looking forward 931 00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:20,160 coming up this summer 932 00:39:23,750 --> 00:39:21,920 to doing uh 933 00:39:26,470 --> 00:39:23,760 what 934 00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:26,480 wps 935 00:39:30,470 --> 00:39:28,640 with donald's 936 00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:30,480 help of course 937 00:39:37,990 --> 00:39:35,349 we're going to do a a paracrypto 938 00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:38,000 geological expedition 939 00:39:41,829 --> 00:39:39,599 this year we're not going to say exactly 940 00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:41,839 where exactly when obviously we don't 941 00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:44,000 want people showing up and messing with 942 00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:44,640 us 943 00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:47,040 but uh there's no there's no worry about 944 00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:49,760 that out in that area 945 00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:52,000 it's so secluded if a person even tried 946 00:39:55,109 --> 00:39:53,520 to find us 947 00:39:58,950 --> 00:39:55,119 we'd have to send out a search party 948 00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:01,670 and you know i believe that 100 percent 949 00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:03,520 uh just going out with you a couple days 950 00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:04,960 ago um 951 00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:05,760 uh 952 00:40:18,630 --> 00:40:15,280 out there noticed 953 00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:18,640 really opened my eyes and uh it 954 00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:20,800 totally freaked out brad too 955 00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:24,400 when she and she noticed that uh spirit 956 00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:25,920 out there and also 957 00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:29,200 uh felt or noticed the forest spirit and 958 00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:30,720 then that guy said that there was the 959 00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:38,550 yeah yeah that blew my mind too i mean i 960 00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:40,480 i tell you about jen and now we're 961 00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:42,880 talking about her like she's not here 962 00:40:48,310 --> 00:40:45,359 but for real uh you know um as her 963 00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:48,320 husband she does uh see spirit a lot you 964 00:40:52,630 --> 00:40:50,880 know um when we go out and you know uh 965 00:40:53,589 --> 00:40:52,640 and she tells me this and i hear a lot 966 00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:53,599 you know 967 00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:54,640 and uh 968 00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:56,720 but when you go in the middle of nowhere 969 00:41:01,910 --> 00:40:58,640 i mean literally we're talking 970 00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:01,920 hours and hours and hours of 971 00:41:05,589 --> 00:41:04,640 just going to the middle of nowhere 972 00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:05,599 and then 973 00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:07,920 for her to say you know there's a 974 00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:09,359 spirit 975 00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:12,800 falling 976 00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:13,680 and then 977 00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:15,760 the guy we're with where we never met 978 00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:17,680 him before you know we don't know him 979 00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:20,720 from anywhere else he doesn't know us 980 00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:22,720 you know he gets these goosebumps on his 981 00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:24,720 arms and and he goes 982 00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:25,920 uh 983 00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:30,079 older young spirit and she goes old 984 00:41:36,150 --> 00:41:31,920 and uh 985 00:41:38,309 --> 00:41:36,160 and she points to to where she saw him 986 00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:38,319 and he says you know 987 00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:40,480 i didn't tell any of you guys this 988 00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:42,960 but there uh me and my father found a 989 00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:44,400 grave out here 990 00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:47,040 a grave marker right where she pointed 991 00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:50,480 right general area so he's like i gotta 992 00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:52,800 show you this so you believe me open 993 00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:55,359 this up so you know we 994 00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:57,520 uh ended up hiking over there and sure 995 00:42:01,270 --> 00:41:59,040 enough there's this marker you know 996 00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:01,280 literally the middle of nowhere this 997 00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:02,400 this 998 00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:04,160 yeah i know where it was she couldn't 999 00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:06,000 see it because that was a hundred yards 1000 00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:07,200 or so 1001 00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:08,560 through 1002 00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:09,839 thick 1003 00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:10,800 uh 1004 00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:12,960 thick forest that you can't see 1005 00:42:16,630 --> 00:42:14,560 you can't see nothing we had to drive 1006 00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:16,640 around the 1007 00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:22,470 it was it was quite amazing 1008 00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:24,960 yeah there's one question on there to go 1009 00:42:29,589 --> 00:42:27,440 back to that one the one guy is asking 1010 00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:29,599 about telepathy 1011 00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:33,520 yes yes they do have uh telepathy if you 1012 00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:36,400 can channel your own mind 1013 00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:37,359 uh 1014 00:42:41,349 --> 00:42:39,599 when you're in the woods it starts out 1015 00:42:44,230 --> 00:42:41,359 very simple when you're out in the woods 1016 00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:44,240 and you feel like you're being watched 1017 00:42:48,069 --> 00:42:45,920 just sit down 1018 00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:48,079 relax next to a 1019 00:42:52,390 --> 00:42:50,000 you know sit down next to a tree 1020 00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:52,400 completely relax yourself 1021 00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:54,960 and let everything enter your mind 1022 00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:57,440 the sound of the wind everything and yes 1023 00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:59,280 you will hear them they will start to 1024 00:43:03,109 --> 00:43:01,680 communicate it won't be words 1025 00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:03,119 they'll they'll 1026 00:43:06,870 --> 00:43:05,280 they'll communicate 1027 00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:06,880 with uh 1028 00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:08,319 images 1029 00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:12,079 and that's what they want you to see so 1030 00:43:17,109 --> 00:43:14,240 yes they do uh 1031 00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:17,119 they do communicate 1032 00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:18,240 okay all right 1033 00:43:21,829 --> 00:43:19,920 sudan from chat 1034 00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:21,839 has a question for you 1035 00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:24,240 some people have noticed many things 1036 00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:26,880 that are paranormal like space aliens 1037 00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:30,480 etc respond to prayers 1038 00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:31,760 indicating 1039 00:43:36,550 --> 00:43:33,839 they are not what they seem 1040 00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:36,560 have you had any reports of this sort of 1041 00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:39,680 thing with bigfoot 1042 00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:43,359 i am not sure i understood the question 1043 00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:44,240 um 1044 00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:47,200 i i know in myself when i've had uh 1045 00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:50,560 ceremonies like out on the bog 1046 00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:52,960 uh it's called a calling ceremony is 1047 00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:55,760 where you call in the spirits 1048 00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:57,599 uh there's also a ceremony called the 1049 00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:00,400 blood ceremony where that one is 1050 00:44:05,109 --> 00:44:03,280 basically a test but when you do these 1051 00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:05,119 calling ceremonies 1052 00:44:08,950 --> 00:44:08,000 you will have the spirit form come right 1053 00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:08,960 to you 1054 00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:11,440 i'm not sure whether or not 1055 00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:14,880 this would be classified as religious or 1056 00:44:18,309 --> 00:44:16,400 anything 1057 00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:18,319 um 1058 00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:20,560 it's a ceremony it's a native american 1059 00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:26,550 hint of 1060 00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:29,200 religious it's more or less just a 1061 00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:32,880 spirituality more than it is religion 1062 00:44:38,470 --> 00:44:34,160 i don't know if that answered the 1063 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,430 answer the question 1064 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,870 you know uh 1065 00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:46,470 some people 1066 00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:48,800 used to call the the bigfoot mountain 1067 00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:50,400 devils 1068 00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:52,720 you know uh not understanding really 1069 00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:54,880 what they were of course seeing one 1070 00:45:02,550 --> 00:44:59,750 me and 1071 00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:02,560 my friend uh when i was in my late 1072 00:45:06,309 --> 00:45:04,560 twenties we had a bigfoot cross the 1073 00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:06,319 highway 1074 00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:07,520 uh 1075 00:45:11,270 --> 00:45:09,760 in front of us and 1076 00:45:13,990 --> 00:45:11,280 that was actually the catalyst to 1077 00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:14,000 starting the the paranormal society 1078 00:45:17,430 --> 00:45:15,440 um 1079 00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:17,440 and that was bright that was in the 1080 00:45:21,990 --> 00:45:19,680 middle of the day it was real hot out 1081 00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:22,000 it was real hot out 1082 00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:24,000 and uh 1083 00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:27,680 yeah you know um we were in a car 1084 00:45:31,589 --> 00:45:30,000 and across the road my buddy stopped the 1085 00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:31,599 car right way across 1086 00:45:34,950 --> 00:45:33,119 and he's like you know should we go in 1087 00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:34,960 there after i'm like crazy you see how 1088 00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:36,240 big it was 1089 00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:37,599 it'll kill us 1090 00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:40,079 you know and uh we didn't go in but i 1091 00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:42,720 could see where where uh people would be 1092 00:45:48,069 --> 00:45:44,160 real scared 1093 00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:48,079 of something like that uh 1094 00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:49,920 you know and 1095 00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:51,839 that's how i judge 1096 00:45:57,589 --> 00:45:55,599 a lot of witnesses credibility 1097 00:46:00,230 --> 00:45:57,599 if a witness says 1098 00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:00,240 to me when i ask well how did you feel 1099 00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:02,720 when you seen this uh 1100 00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:04,319 creature 1101 00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:06,000 they go well 1102 00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:10,000 i didn't let it bother me oh he's lying 1103 00:46:13,750 --> 00:46:11,280 if you're 1104 00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:13,760 when you see one of these 1105 00:46:19,109 --> 00:46:17,280 whether in the physical or spirit form 1106 00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:19,119 and you say that 1107 00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:21,680 you weren't scared it didn't bother you 1108 00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:23,440 or anything like that you're lying you 1109 00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:25,200 didn't see nothing 1110 00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:28,240 you're in the woods or in the dark 1111 00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:30,079 daylight and you see something that's 1112 00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:33,839 standing eight feet tall covered in hair 1113 00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:36,720 looks like a giant android giant in a 1114 00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:38,000 damn 1115 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:45,510 you're suit be scared 1116 00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:47,750 so anyone that says that they're scared 1117 00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:51,359 when they saying it they're credible 1118 00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:52,640 yeah 1119 00:46:58,150 --> 00:46:55,200 really quick what suit on meant by the 1120 00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:58,160 question was that have you ever ever 1121 00:47:01,910 --> 00:46:59,760 heard of anybody 1122 00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:01,920 running into a bigfoot and 1123 00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:04,480 using a prayer and saying jesus's name 1124 00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:05,680 and 1125 00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:07,680 having a big foot react in a way where 1126 00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:10,319 it would 1127 00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:12,480 absolutely flee well i guess that would 1128 00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:14,960 be like if are there evil bigfoot out 1129 00:47:19,829 --> 00:47:16,560 there maybe that would that's another 1130 00:47:22,470 --> 00:47:19,839 one not i i've heard it but not with uh 1131 00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:22,480 jesus i'm sure i'm sure it has happened 1132 00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:24,480 with uh 1133 00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:26,480 with me the 1134 00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:29,839 native chant you close your eyes you say 1135 00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:34,000 the chant you open your eyes he's gone 1136 00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:36,960 so i suppose it's it's all in who 1137 00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:40,160 believes in what if you believe in 1138 00:47:44,550 --> 00:47:42,720 the white man's jesus then that will 1139 00:47:47,190 --> 00:47:44,560 work for you 1140 00:47:50,069 --> 00:47:47,200 um it's all in what you believe in if 1141 00:47:54,069 --> 00:47:50,079 you believe in a buddha and you pray to 1142 00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:55,030 okay 1143 00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:57,680 this question also comes from max 1144 00:48:01,829 --> 00:47:59,760 i live in the middle appalachian 1145 00:48:02,950 --> 00:48:01,839 mountains and there are many things out 1146 00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:02,960 there 1147 00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:06,720 in the mountains that one can hear but 1148 00:48:11,349 --> 00:48:08,160 cannot see 1149 00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:11,359 do you think this is for a spirit there 1150 00:48:20,470 --> 00:48:17,030 it could be but 1151 00:48:23,829 --> 00:48:20,480 remember that a forest spirit is not 1152 00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:23,839 always a sasquatch that can be the 1153 00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:25,520 spirit animal 1154 00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:31,270 spirit squirrel as small as that all the 1155 00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:38,470 yeah it it's most likely if you if you 1156 00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:40,640 hear the sound and it's right next to 1157 00:48:44,549 --> 00:48:42,800 you but there's nothing there oh that's 1158 00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:44,559 definitely a spirit 1159 00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:51,670 and uh 1160 00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:53,760 you know we're talking about the 1161 00:48:56,710 --> 00:48:55,599 yeah 1162 00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:56,720 when 1163 00:49:00,630 --> 00:48:59,200 let's say pericryptozoology 1164 00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:00,640 i guess uh 1165 00:49:06,630 --> 00:49:03,599 defining it as a an animal 1166 00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:06,640 or a cryptid uh encrypted with a power 1167 00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:09,599 or ability that humans 1168 00:49:14,549 --> 00:49:12,240 uh may not possess or don't possess 1169 00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:17,510 you know whether that be 1170 00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:21,359 portals or invisibility or mind speak 1171 00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:22,400 or 1172 00:49:24,790 --> 00:49:23,760 uh 1173 00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:24,800 you know 1174 00:49:29,750 --> 00:49:27,680 any number of things 1175 00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:29,760 um 1176 00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:32,960 it seems to me that 1177 00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:36,160 as time goes on 1178 00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:38,800 and i i wonder your take on this as time 1179 00:49:43,109 --> 00:49:40,720 goes on 1180 00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:43,119 it seems to me that 1181 00:49:48,230 --> 00:49:46,079 more and more people are 1182 00:49:50,309 --> 00:49:48,240 starting to give 1183 00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:50,319 the idea or the notion of para 1184 00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:54,079 cryptozoology a serious look 1185 00:49:59,109 --> 00:49:56,720 is that an accurate statement 1186 00:50:01,030 --> 00:49:59,119 they they have to because uh look at how 1187 00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:01,040 many years 1188 00:50:03,870 --> 00:50:02,880 scientists and 1189 00:50:06,230 --> 00:50:03,880 uh 1190 00:50:09,430 --> 00:50:06,240 cryptozoologists have been looking for 1191 00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:09,440 the sasquatch and have come up with 1192 00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:11,280 nothing 1193 00:50:15,190 --> 00:50:12,480 yet 1194 00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:15,200 more and more people are seeing stuff 1195 00:50:19,589 --> 00:50:17,280 out there like the glowing eyes without 1196 00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:19,599 illumination 1197 00:50:25,109 --> 00:50:21,920 that uh is impossible 1198 00:50:26,950 --> 00:50:25,119 you're seeing stuff out there 1199 00:50:28,549 --> 00:50:26,960 that is 1200 00:50:32,069 --> 00:50:28,559 not 1201 00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:35,710 so they have to start looking in 1202 00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:38,960 non-scientific methods 1203 00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:40,640 you know they start they have to start 1204 00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:42,640 looking at the 1205 00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:46,319 uh the shamans the old cultures of what 1206 00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:54,390 we have five minutes left 1207 00:51:01,349 --> 00:50:57,760 uh then before we go 1208 00:51:02,390 --> 00:51:01,359 uh we would like for you to share 1209 00:51:04,549 --> 00:51:02,400 links 1210 00:51:06,309 --> 00:51:04,559 to where people can 1211 00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:06,319 find and buy your book 1212 00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:08,480 and any uh 1213 00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:11,520 any facebook groups any uh 1214 00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:13,040 youtube 1215 00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:15,200 uh pages anything at all you wish to 1216 00:51:19,670 --> 00:51:16,400 share 1217 00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:19,680 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